On December 17th, 2020 we had the honor and pleasure of interviewing Pastor Dana Coverstone of Burkesville, Kentucky for whom the prophetic “Brace Yourself” dreams are widely known. Pastor Dana is a Spirit-filled follower of the LORD Jesus Christ, currently serving in the Assemblies of God. He has served as a Pastor for more than 30 years, has traveled to more than 40 countries, and now has a global reach, having founded Dana Coverstone Ministries. Since his initial posting of the dreams on Facebook many have come to pass with alarming precision, and the spectrum of global response has been extreme. Many people from various backgrounds and faiths have valid questions, fears, and curiosities. Here, we attempt to provide answers, providing listeners understanding, and giving credence to God’s Word for the glory of Jesus Christ and the edification of all who listen.
In this interview Dana openly talks about his dreams in the context of America and current global events and players. We explore the biblical exegesis of prophecy and proper interpretation. Dana also provides insight into the Lord’s message, his own personal journey, spiritual abuses within the Church, and how to successfully navigate the days ahead as a believer in Jesus Christ.
For the purpose of expediting publication, this audio is raw and uncut, with a cumulative total of 95 minutes. The interview has been split into three consecutive parts (approximately 30 minutes each) for ease of uploading, streaming, and listening.
[The following transcript is verbatim.]
[Okay, Pastor Dana, we are live. We’re on record.]
EP: And I want to thank you so much for joining us here today. It’s an honor to have you.
I want to begin by laying some proper groundwork with proper introductions and clarifications for our audience. You’re currently a pastor in a small town, in Burkesville, Kentucky with the Assembly of God. And you have seen the world at large. You’re very well read; very well learned. Uh, there’s a lot of integrity. You’ve been in more than 40 countries. You’ve pastored for a number of years. Um, I want to ask you, um, about the dreams… Your role as a pastor is one you’ve strongly defended in the Body of Christ with these dreams that have, um, taken place. Many say that you’ve graduated; that you’re now a prophet. And with that said, God began giving you vivid dreams in December of 2019 with respect to the events of 2020.
Do you have any understanding of why God chose you?
DC: To be honest… and first of all, thank you very much for allowing me to be on the program. I appreciate the interview and the opportunity to talk about these things.
I really honestly don’t. I’m a pastor. I’m not a prophet. I’m understanding the role of ‘watchman’ a little bit better. But I think every pastor, every believer needs to be a watchman; needs to be aware of what’s going on. So, I really [sic], there’s nothing special about me. I’m… I pastor in a town of about 1,400 people. We run 80 to 100 every Sunday. And that’s, and that’s even before COVID hit.
I, every place I’ve been as a pastor I’ve followed moral failures, then I come to the church, and things are kind of torn up and wounded, and uh, so God’s just kind of used me to go into those churches that have been, you know, very, very difficult and gone through difficult times and just kinda help nurse them back to health and things. But that’s, that’s been my calling.
Uh, I’m just a normal guy. I’ve been married to my wife for 26 years; I’ve got 3 kids. But I had no idea… I, you know I try to be faithful in the Word, faithful in my prayer time. I’ve been uh, I’ve been here over 10 years now. Every church I’ve been at I’ve done my best to be faithful. And uh, that’s, that’s, that’s the only thing I’ve been is faithful in, in those smaller things.
I just never saw this coming– never expected it– never asked for it, I can tell you that for sure. And although I’m thankful for the opportunity for a platform, I also realize that at this point in my life I can never say anything again publicly or privately without it being criticized, scrutinized, analyzed, sanitized, or anything else.
Ah, even to the point of what shirts I wear. When the dreams first came out they said, “What shirts are you wearing in this one and that”, and you know, to the point of, “Well, you just did a video with interpreters John and Cherie, and you weren’t wearing a mask. What’s wrong with you?” Those sort of things. So, I’m just gonna continue to be me. And uh, try my best to remain just me. But uh, it’s been an interesting season… an, an interesting ride. And I kind of understand what the whirlwind is now, if that makes sense.
EP: Yes! Yes, it does.
Can you help others better understand how your role as a pastor biblically intersects with the prophetic dreams you’ve received from the LORD, and why this would be possible even though you’re not a prophet?
DC: Well, as a pastor I’m a shepherd. And uh, in the words of Peter in 1st Peter chapter 5, you know I’m supposed to shepherd my flock. And shepherding of my flock doesn’t just mean I feed them the Word. I warn them from time to time. I’ve always, I’ve always loved news. I’m an info file. I love to know what’s going on; what’s happening. So, every Sunday morning I will share with my congregation headlines about things that are going on. But mostly, only how those headlines apply to Word, because I read, I read the news to the grid of scripture. You know, where does this fit into the biblical timeline? History? So, one of my jobs and roles as a pastor is to let people know where we are on the biblical timeline. As I see the signs of Jesus, He said, “When you see these things, when you see the signs, look up, your redemption draws near.” So, part of my role and job as a pastor is to warn my congregation to be ready for when Jesus comes, to live the kind of life they need to live, and to warn them when I see things coming. There’s a, there’s a movie called The Patriot that was put out several years ago with Mel Gibson.
EP: It’s one of my favorites! Yes. [chuckles]
DC: And there’s a pastor, a question in that… he’s walking out to join the patriot revolt, and they’re looking at him like, What are you doing? and he says, “Well, sometimes you warn the people about the wolves and sometimes you go and shoot them.” And I think that’s a very, very interesting parallel to where we are in America today. And the church needs to be warned. The church needs… and my, my role as a pastor is not just to inform of scriptural things, but it’s to say here’s what I sense the LORD is speaking to me and sharing with me about what we need to do for the time in which we live.
EP: Okay. Do you anticipate the LORD changing your role or calling within His body?
DC: I do not. Um, I am very comfortable in my skin as a pastor. That’s what I’ve been for almost thirty… this coming August I will have been a pastor 30 years. Been in the Assemblies of God for all that time. Love the movement, love the fellowship, love our leadership, uh, love our direction, love the fact that we’re a Pentecostal group. Uh, but I’m a pastor, and uh, although there’s been a lot of people who’ve asked me about this, and changes, um, I do not see any changes. I’m gonna keep doing the things I’m doing, you know, online… the platform is definitely opened up a little bit more than it was before.
Um, we get the, used to, back [sic] — you go back six months we might have had 300 views on our YouTube channel. Last month we had 302,000.
DC: That’s a little bit of an increase, that we never saw coming.
DC: So, we’ve had to buy some cameras, sound equipment, audio… we’ve had to change our, our uh, our internet to a faster speed because we just never saw — I never saw that coming, and the church never saw that coming.
Uh, my church has really stepped up too, and I’ll tell you something — Johnathan Cahn had reached out to me, and uh, I really love that man. He just wanted to reach out to me and encourage me. We’ve talked about the September Solemn Assembly events, ’cause they were doing one in Washington, and we did one in Plano, Texas. And he’s, he’s become a friend.
But he sent a video that really, really helped my church. Because my church was still trying to figure out what in the world…um, do we do with this? Um, you know, even, we’ve had people; we’ve had visitors from 46 states since Jun– since July. There’s not been one Sunday we haven’t had visitors talking about the dreams. Um… we’ve had to open up a PayPal account for the church. We’ve had people who are watching us online. But Johnathan Cahn sent me a video to show to the church, and basically he said, “You know, God has chosen your pastor to give these dreams to, but he also chose you as the church that he would pastor.” And so, when I’m going to be gone, or gonna be out or doing something he said, “You know, you as a church need to step up and you need to rise up and help.” And that video, really, it encouraged my congregation because from the very get go, uh, I’ve had my son turn off our, our comments on Facebook on the church Facebook page, because within a week we– I had 300 requests: ‘Will you come be our pastor’, ‘Hey, do you want me to come?’ ‘Try out. I want you to do this.’ So I’m walking into church every Sunday for two months and the people are going, Please Lord… are you, are you still… Are you leaving? Are you going somewhere?
EP: Aww… yeah.
DC: All that nervousness. So, when Rabbi Cahn sent that, it touched me and encouraged me, uh, and he helped my church. He really helped my church. I’m just so grateful, um, I’m so grateful for that. But I– I plan on being a pastor, um, for a long time.
EP: Very good.
Let’s go back to the beginning and debrief on your dreams for a moment. How did the dreams officially begin?
DC: I’ve been dreaming [cough], excuse me, since I was 15 years old when I got saved. As a pastor I’ve had dreams about different people in my church, words of wisdom, word of knowledge, and I believe that dreams and visions are simply an extension of the spiritual gifts in 1st Corinthians chapter 12. Especially word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discernment, and prophetic word.
So, I have dreams all the time. I have people in my church who were having some dreams. We were talking about that back in October. And I said, “You know what? I’ll just do, I’ll just do some teaching.” I’ve done several, several series on it over the years. So, in October I started doing this series on Wednesday nights on dreams and visions, and went through the book of Daniel, went through Genesis with Joseph; we talked about biblical dreams in the New Testament. And uh, in December I woke up one night and had, had that first dream with uh, with chaos in the streets, and, and the pandemic; seeing the word ‘pandemic’, and seeing violence, and looting, and rioting in communities. And uh, I prayed with a group of guys every Tuesday night. And they’re all my accountability partners, and so, that, that night I said, we pray for each other individually at the end. I said, “Guys, I had a dream last night”, and I shared it with them. And I said, “I gotta know what to do with this, cause this thing is just, it woke me up. Heart rate’s high. I saw some things coming and happening, and uh, so pray with me.” So, they prayed with me.
Six months go by. And um… and one thing I do, I tell my church that Sunday, the next Sunday, I said, “I got… Folks look, I’ve had a dream. And I think we’ve got a theme for this next year, which is ‘Brace Yourself’. We have some hard things coming; some difficult things coming.”
Over the next three months my board members were kinda saying, “Hey did you see this? Did you read this? This was in the news. Hey, did you see this?” you know. And one Sunday morning a board member came here, and brought me, brought me a newspaper, and the headlines said, Pandemic Hits America. And he said, “What you saw is happening.” And so, we began to share with the church the dream that I had and the things that were going on.
And then in May, the end of May, the riots started happening in, in Minneapolis. And I have a daughter who goes to college in Minneapolis. And so, as I’m watching these, these, these things on, on the news, ya know, my daughter’s saying, “Dad, that’s close to where I live. That’s close to where I sl–” you know, all those sort of things. And so, when I had the second one in June– it woke me up. My Fitbit said I had a heart rate of about 180. I was just– I walked, I walked — I got up probably around, between 2 and 3 in the morning — and I just walked up all night. Walked and prayed, pacing, and said, ‘God, what do I do with this? What do I do with this?” Well, it was a Monday night, so that was coming Tues… so that next night, Tuesday, I said guys, “I think I have a Part 2 to that dream. And I need to know what I need to do with this. So, I want you guys to pray with me. Please pray with me.” And they pray, the anoin– you know they pray with me, gave me wisdom, and right before I left the whole consensus was, “You need to share this– share, you need to share these dreams.”
Go home that night. Um, my, my, my oldest daughter’s 23rd birthday. Went to sleep that night. Had the coin shortage dream. And the coin shortage dream didn’t even seem like it fit with all of those things going on. Got up the next morning. Sat in the very chair I’m sitting at right now in the interview with you. Turned my phone on, and just, I didn’t have notes, I just off the cuff, just went straight from what I remember. And shared that dream as a pastor, a 15 minute; 9 second video, and I shared it on my Facebook page where I had 1,100 friends. And um, and at the very end I did something I tried not to do in the rest of the video. I– This was me as a pastor saying, “Guys, folks, I’ve had a– I just had a dream that really got me. I, I saw some things, and the first dream I’ve seen those things happen. I saw the headlines, the pandemic happen, I saw the riots in Minneapolis. So, it’s really heavy and desire, an urgency to share this.” I didn’t say you have to do this, or you better, I just said, “Here’s what I’m gonna recommend based on what I saw”. And the three things that I said was, you know, stock up on food. Um, check, you know, watch your guns and ammo, and make sure you got enough. And that wasn’t to be like go and Rambo-like on people, but just to protect and preserve, and those things. And also, I encouraged people, you know, to invest in, to invest in, in something other than besides cash. And uh, put that on — and walked away from it. And uh, had no idea what was going to happen.
DC: And on Sunday morning, my son, right before, five minutes before church starts, says, “Dad! Dad! You won’t believe this! Your YouTube– your Facebook page just got a hundred-thousand views!” And I thought, What?! You’re kidding me!
And going back to 1996, there was an evangelist named Mike Livengood, an Assemblies of God evangelist who was at, doing a revival service at my church. And one night he was praying over me and my wife and he said, “Pastor Dana, I have a word for you. I see you one day prophesying to thousands… No, no, wait a minute, wait… hundreds of thousands… No! I see you prophesying to even more than that!”
DC: Now, I’m six years old [in the Lord], a new father, I’m a youth pastor, in a small town, and Mike said that, and my first thought was, “Alright! Uh, I’ll try to remember that.”
DC: But the minute my son said, “Dad, 100,000 views” — just like that — that thought, I remember Mike Livengood… speaking that prophetic word over my life. And uh, I’m really realizing, this had to be it. You know, and then by Wednesday, several days later, there was a million views, and my phone was ringing, interviews, and this and that, and at first all the comments weren’t nice and pleasant. I’ve got some of the… I’ve heard some of the worst things about myself you can imagine. And everybody kept saying I was a prophet, and this and that, but once again, I’m a pastor. I’m a pastor that had dreams.
And if nothing else, I’m thankful for the people that have been woken up; that are praying. Um, I’m hearing all the time from people who have come back to the Lord. Who have uh, who the dreams scared enough that they got their lives right with the Lord, and I’ve, and I’ve talked to folks who said, “You know what? I realized I wasn’t where I needed to be with the Lord.” And uh, so in spite of all the criticisms, I would do it– I would do it all over again. You know, um, cause I’ve seen a lot of peo— I’ve heard from people, literally, and I’m not kidding you, forty-thousand people — emails, voicemails, phone calls, people showing up. Forty-thousand people who have said, “Pastor Dana, that dream, those dreams, they resonated deep with inside [sic] of us. And they have confirmed the sense of what we’ve been feeling and knowing, something bad is coming; something difficult. Something hard is coming.”
And so, a lot of people were appreciative. And uh, but it’s been uh, fifteen years, you know, of age, of when I started having dreams, but nothing like this. And they just continue to come. Um, so that’s, that’s been the ride for the last six months for me.
EP: So, did God give you a specific charge when these dreams began? And what does that stewardship– how is that effecting you personally?
DC: No angel spoke to me or showed up. No, Jesus didn’t show up at the foot of my bed. I had a dream, and I had an extreme urgency. As a pastor I would call it an unction. It was this extreme, deafening, yelling, screaming almost yell in my head, I’ve got to get this out. And it wasn’t yelling and screaming, but it was just that, that intentional, I’ve got to get this out right now. I can’t wait. I can’t wai… I’ve got to get this out.
And once again, I think, I really believe, well I know, the purpose of the dreams was to wake up the Church. The purpose of the dreams was to wake the Church up, and also for the Church to position itself, to anchor itself, to brace itself– for some of the challenges that were coming.
Um, when you look at the day in which we live right now, can you or anybody else tell me when COVID stops? Can you or anybody else tell me when business gets back to normal? Can any… you or anybody else tell me, when does normal ever be normal again?
DC: We are living in the most stupendous times in American or world history. And there’s no, ‘this is when it ends.’ There’s, there’s, there’s, there’s…we, we don’t even know where the cliff is. Where’s the cliff end? Uh, we don’t know how fast the water’s running. We’re like in a canoe and it, and the rapids just keep coming.
Um, and so the ‘Brace Yourself’, which I think has been the primary theme, was for the Church to wake up and get ready, because when you brace yourself, I think of… and, and I don’t play, I don’t, um I’ve never been big enough to play football. I’m 5′ 6 1/2″ and you know, weigh about 170 pounds, so football was not gonna be my sport. But– I think of those guys on their knees who are bracing themselves against the group that’s gonna try to hit through them and get through them, and get to the quarterback. So, we’re at a very physical place where the Lord’s trying to say to the Church, “Look, there’s some things coming that are gonna hit you hard. And if you’re not braced, you’re gonna get knocked down.”
And in Habakkuk 1, in verses one through five, God says to the prophet, ‘I’m about to show you things that are going to shock you — that are going to, ya know, blow your mind, so-to-speak — things you’ve never seen before.’ So, what He was basically saying to Habakkuk was, ‘Habakkuk, brace yourself, because there are some things that are about to happen in this nation you’re in that are going to surprise you, shock you, and you better be braced so you’re still standing when they’re done.’
EP: Overall, what were the reactions by the majority?
DC: Overall, the majority of the people, on any given day, even, even to this day, the majority of the comments that I have heard have been positive and encouraging. I’m gonna say it’s about 80/20. But the ones that are negative are extremely over-the-edge, off-the-table, um, egregious, um, threatening, [clears throat] um, and I’ve had to turn several of the emails and, and phone calls, and messages over to the law enforcement.
EP: My goodness!
DC: I’ve had all sorts of threats by my, my, my house, my family, my dogs, my kids, I mean, you name it. You know, people that are angry; I’ve had several in the prophetic world, and I want to be careful how I say this, because once again, I’ve seen the best and the worst of the prophetic world in the last six months. And I– once again, I’m not a prophet. But I’ve had people that called me and said, the next time you have a dream, you tell me what that dream is, and I’ll tell you whether it’s from God and we’ll release it together and, things like that. And I also heard that I’ve violated some protocol that I’ve never heard about; you know, that I should have told someone the dream, and this and that. My response that Wednesday morning when I recorded the video was, God you showed me something. I’ve got to get it out.
DC: I didn’t talk to any… I did talk to some, I had seven or, you know, between seven and eight men who prayed with me. And I wasn’t trying to get a new platform. I wasn’t trying to make money. I wasn’t trying to… I was trying to warn 1,100 people on Facebook, and then it became one of the most shared Facebook videos of this year, even from what I understand, in the last five years. Um, so I was just trying to make people aware. Um, but most of, most of the comments have been positive, encouraging, and that’s helped me. Um, and those are the kind of things that… when, I, I, I’ve stopped looking at comments on my page, and on… um, and I’ve got a friend, Jay, who’s running the Brace Yourself page on Facebook. He also helps run the YouTube page. I’ve stopped looking at comments. Ah, my wife spent one night up till about two in the morning bawling her eyes out because this was in the first week of things that were being said, and you know, I’m, I’m talking about harsh things.
And then, the majority of people who spoke about me on, on a public format, or a public forum have never talked to me; have never called me; have never reached out to me; have never said, “Hey, can I talk to you about, you know, these videos or these, these dreams?” Ah, and that includes even people even within the Assemblies of God. I’ve lost quite a few friends within the Assemblies of God.
DC: Um, we’re a Pentecostal movement. We should embrace these things. But it– it’s, it’s been a, it’s been a hodge-podge of different reactions, but for the most part it’s been positive, and that’s– that’s been very helpful. I know a lot of people have been praying for me. And like today’s December 17th. I had a dream about December 17th. So, my inbox and my email this morning was filled with support, encouragement, “We’re praying for you today, even if nothing happens, you know, we’re praying for you today and hope things go well for you as well,” so that, that’s been very encouraging for me.
EP: Let’s talk about prophecy a bit from the standpoint of biblical exegesis. When we look at God’s word, whether written or spoken, He’s very strict with how it’s to be handled. And all scripture is God-breathed, and is not subject to any interpretation of man. It’s to be rightly divided. Every jot and tittle will come to pass. His Word is eternal, unchanging, and will not return void. Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh, and the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
When He is seen in Revelation the name upon His thigh is actually ‘The Word of God’. There is only one thing that is impossible with God, and that is He cannot lie. God’s word is absolute, it is truth, and it is wholly perfect. And God gives no license whatsoever for the false prophet. Jesus warns vehemently against false prophecy in the end times, and it is sternly condemned. False prophets are given a place in the lake of fire.
If we go back to the old testament in Deuteronomy18 verses 20-22, false prophets were stoned, and even in the New Covenant there’s very stern and strict manner in which prophecy is to be tested and handled. It requires the most incredible care and spiritual stewardship. Yet to the contrary, false prophecy is rampant today in the Church. Prophecy is very loose, casual, and flagrant– even heretical at times, and people speak freely in God’s name with little consequence, hence the prophecies of Christ in Matthew 24 which warn of false prophets to come in the last days, and that we’re to watch and pray that we are not deceived.
I’m laying that backdrop, Dana, for the benefit of our audience. And I know that you know those scriptures.
EP: What can you say with respect to prophecy, um, some of the things you’ve encountered in the Church, and how that has affected you in your ministry? Um… what would you say to people who would, would stand on the Word of God and, and– want to handle these dreams in a biblical manner?
DC: Well, I have been threatened with stoning. I have been threatened with being shot. I’ve been threatened with being hung because, um, but also these people are also viewing me as a prophet. And I think one of the key things is to look at the, the prophetic dream aspect of it.
When Pharaoh had his dream about the seven thin cows eating the seven fat cows, did that literally really happen? No. But Joseph, who’d been a farmer all his life, and had dreams that always had, ah, agricultural symbols in them, he was able to say, “Pharaoh this is what your dreams mean. Here’s what’s gonna happen, and here’s what you need to do.”
You look at the Book of Daniel; Nebuchadnezzar had a dream, and in that dream he saw the statue: head of gold, chest of silver, bronze, and everything else down. But did he really see that statue? Was that statue real? No. And someone say, well, but he, but he built something later on in the book. Yeah, but this, that statue, that statue was a statue of gold. So, those things were, were symbolic. And I think a lot of people have taken the symbolism in the dream and said, Well this has to be literal. And had there been literal aspects to the dream? You know, I saw, I had a, a coin shortage dream, I posted that on Wednesday, and on Friday the signs started going up around the, around the nation. I did, I did not say there was going to be a coin shortage. I just simply said, “This is what I saw in the dream.” This is what I saw in the dream. This is what I saw. And I’ve continued to say that, and I’ve also continued to say, “I’m not a prophet.”
So, I think people need to look at, and make sure that when they’re judging prophets, they understand that judgment on dreams is a lot different. And not that I’m trying to take myself out of response– I’m responsible for what I’ve said. Uh, I’m responsible for what I’ve shared. When I shared those things, I believe because God was trying to encourage people to pray, to make them aware of maybe the enemy’s plans? Uh, things that are gonna happen and go on. Um, and I, I, I’ll go back to the data dream. That, that basically kinda’ illustrated some things with the election. Um, and so I’ve had people say, “Well none of your dreams have come true.” And I’ve had people say, “Everything in your dreams have come true.” So, how do I satisfy all of those people? I don’t know. But I do realize that there are things I saw in the dreams that have happened.
Uh, just this last week, one of the, one of the biggest criticisms has been is, Well, no UN troops, and no Chinese or Russian soldiers. Well, just this last week it came out that a congressional leader, or a congressman from China had been sleeping with a Chinese spy. And he’s also on the House Intel committee. So, that sounds to me like infiltration, which is typically a military term. We also found, found out the Treasury Department had been hacked; the Pentagon had been hacked; the IRS had been hacked. And although they’re pushing all these figures after who it might be, well that sure sounds like infiltration. Um, and Nancy Pelosi did say if things get too bad in the White House we’ll just call in the UN troops to remove Trump from the White House. So those things and being spoken and said in the context of the dreams.
But I think once again, we gotta understand that the prophetic aspect of it is: I do believe God gave me the dreams. Did He give me all the answers? No. Because dreams are riddles. Why did Pharaoh, and why did Nebuchadnezzar go searching for somebody to tell him what those dreams were? Because they drove them nuts! They knew they had meaning. And I know the dreams had meaning, not just for me, but for the country [coughs]. And so, when it comes to the biblical exegesis, we have to understand that dreams are not necessarily prophecy.
When you prophesy over somebody… and, you know, and prophets are subject to the prophets. And I’ve had people say, Well, you know you need to, you know, you, you should have told people this, or said that. My first dream when I shared it, I shared that out of sheer intensity of: I’m concerned, I am worried, I am fearful for people. I’m a pastor. I want them to be ready for the things that are coming. Um, and I, and I won’t apologize for that. I know it caused fear. I know it caused frustration with people. But I also know for a fact that it woke people up; that people got their lives back right with the Lord; that people got saved; uh, that people started going back to church. And so, I’m not saying that justifies it. I’m learning. You know, I never ever, ever imagined that from the moment I posted that first video on January 24, 2020, what would happen, what would be going on, that I would be doing an interview with you on December 17th after having a dream about December 17th, and posting that, and knowing that thousands and thousands of people, probably tens of thousands of people are waiting to see what happens today. So, I imagine my inbox tomorrow will be even more filled with comments and things like that.
So, I think we also have to make sure anything we approach, it can’t be with a critical spirit. Because when Isaiah said, uh, “Behold the virgin will conceive…”
DC: What in the world do we think he thought that meant? When Jonah went and preached to Nineveh, they repented. But 150 years later Nineveh was destroyed for the very same things they had repented of when Jonah preached to them.
When the prophets talked about the destruction of Tyre and Sidon, did they see it coming? And even Peter talks about, these are things which, which, you know, what angels long to look into. These are things the prophets wanted to see. They never saw those things.
When Isaiah said, “By His stripes we’re healed,” — He never saw it literally, physically. And although it was symbolic, it was a shadowing of what was going to happen with Jesus. So, I think we have to make sure we approach it without a critical spirit, and, and we look at the people, the heart.
Um, I’ve done everything I can possibly, to um, to be um, responsible with these dreams, and, and to find other people who are interpret, people who are a trust in the prophetic world of dream interpretation. Um, but I think we need to, you know, we also need to pray about it. I, I’ve, I’ve posted dreams and had people put the interpretation on my site, or my page, fifteen minutes later which means: number one, they didn’t pray about anything. They didn’t really look at the symbols in the dreams. They didn’t really consider the historical aspects of it or the political aspect. They just wanted to be the first one to say, “Here’s what it means.” So, even sometimes in the interpretation world out there, there are people who are chomping at the bit. There are people who want me to share a new dream every week. Well, that’s not how it works. I don’t, I don’t have a dream every week.
Um, I, I’ll tell you, and you’re the first one to know this, I had a dream in the last two nights. And I’m typing it up. I’m praying through it. Um, John Redenbo is actually on his way from Alabama. He’s gonna spend the– he’s gonna’ stay the night at my house this week. We’re gonna talk, we’ll unpack that dream and I’ll probably share it maybe tomorrow afternoon, maybe Saturday. I don’t know.
But, the, the emphasis people have is, Get it out there! Get it out there! Well, I want to be more responsible. And the, and I’ve learned a lot from that first dream. I’ve learned a whole lot in the last six months! Because I don’t wanna be that ‘dream guy’! I want to be someone who’s faithful to hear the Word of God, hear the warnings that God has, and share them. And, and so I think, first of all, people who are judging them need to understand that dreams primarily are symbolic in all reality. And that yes, they can some literal meaning, but most of the time they are going to be symbolic. And that we need to pray about them, and we need to make sure we’ve heard from the Lord before we start criticizing, attacking, or anything else.
And like I said, not one of the people who criticized me publicly ever personally emailed, contacted me, called me, came to my church — nobody! Not any one of those guys! Even within the Assemblies of God– not one of them called me or talked to me and said, “Hey, let’s talk about this.” So, they had no, they had no uh– it’s not about right. They had the right to do and say anything they want. But they didn’t have any understanding of who I was as a pastor, or why I shared those things like I did. You know? They just took the one video and ran with it, but… And even since, and now I’ve got people that’ll call and say, “Hey, I saw your dream. I’m praying about this for you.” Um, [coughs] but I have people who are, are still very, um, hostile towards me.
And so, I’m just gonna keep doing what I sense the Lord wants me to do; sharing what I feel the Lord wants me to share. And um, I’m being, I’m gonna try to be obedient in that aspect.
EP: There are ways that we are to handle prophecy. And when you’re filled with the Holy Spirit, He is wholly sovereign in how He chooses to use us in any given situation. All spiritual gifts come from Him and they are given as He wills, and if we’re obedient and open to God we can experience any one of these gifts, or more, at any given time according to the need at hand. And you had said you’ve never asked for this. Um, we are not to despise prophetic utterances. The Lord encourages us to test and prove all things.
What would you say to those people who have been so quick to despise what has, what God has revealed? There is a, a danger in that as well, so we have, like you said, we can’t be of a critical spirit. We have to be discerning by the Holy Spirit. And so, what would you say to those individuals who have been so quick to condemn and to curse, and…
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DC: I would remind people…
I would say that we need to understand what the Bible says. In Acts chapter 2, Peter, quoting Joel says, “In the last days I’ll pour My spirit out on all flesh.”
DC: “Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will have visions, and your old men will have dreams.”
Now, Peter was quoting Joel, an old testament prophet. And so when people say, “Well, God doesn’t do those things anymore”. Well, when you start saying God doesn’t do things that He said He would do in the Word, you’re on shaky ground. And I know some say, some that are Cessationist say that God– those, those, those gifts went away. They usually base that on 1st Corinthians 13 which says, you know, “if there are tongues, they’ll cease. If there is prophecies they will cease.” But it also says, “If there is knowledge…” Well, we continue to learn a whole lot about life, and culture, and history, and people, and technology today more so than we’ve ever known before. You know, our information knowledge is increasing astronomically– um, almost exponentially. And so, when we start to speak against the things that God is doing or says He will do, we, we really need to step back and say, “Okay, God. I need to pray about this.”
Because if I’m encouraging, I’m encouraging my people to dream. I’ve got people in my church right now that are having dreams almost every week. And those share, “Pastor, I’ve had this dream, I’ve had that.” I’m hearing from people all over this country and around the world who are having dreams.
I have been sent probably (and this is no joke), five-thousand dreams from other people. And they say, “Hey! Can you interpret these?” Well, I can’t interpret five thousand dreams. But I’m hearing from people who are saying, “I’m having these dreams.” I’m also hearing from people who are saying, “Pastor Dana, I’m having dreams. But my pastor is preaching against you.” Or, or, “My leadership doesn’t believe that God does these things. What do I do?”
And so, there are generations of people out there right now that God is speaking to and speaking through with dreams, and visions, and prophetic words. And they don’t know what to do with them because they attend churches where that’s not pushed, or, or, or, pray– or considered um, right, or noble, or biblical. And so, um, I think we just need to, we need to take the Lord at His word. Jesus said, greater things will you do than He did. Now why would that just be for forty or fifty years through the disciples lives? Um, if Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever, then why would He say, ‘Well, but I’m gonna’, I’m gonna, limit these gifts, and tongues, and things like that. Just when the last apostle dies you folks are on your own.’ I, I just can’t see that. To me that’s not biblical. So, I would encourage people to look at what… look at Acts chapter 2, look at Joel chapter 2. Look at what the prophets said and declared. We’re talking hundreds of years before the book of Acts, and hundreds of years before the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. And Jesus said, “Greater things will you do.” So, you need to look at the Word, and pray, and say, “Okay God, if this is really of you, show me.” And I, I don’t just, I say this carefully: People need to be Bereans.
DC: Cause there’s a lot of pastors preach, Well, God doesn’t do this anymore. God doesn’t do this; God doesn’t do that.
And, and so the people will just be, “Well, okay!” I, they take it at face value. We’re supposed to be Bereans. The Bereans checked out the Apostle Paul. They wanted to make sure everything he was saying. We’re talking the Apostle Paul! You know, he was in line to be the next, you know, leader of everything, Jewish-wise speaking. But they checked him out to make sure every word, every jot, every tittle, everything he said lined up with the Old Testament scriptures. So, we need to be Bereans about all of these things when it comes to God’s Word.
EP: Let’s talk about the dreams specifically. They follow a very chronological pattern, or order, and we all know God is a God of meticulous order. How would you describe the pattern of these dreams for others?
DC: Oh… Okay, I am, um, I am a very detailed person. My wife will ask me a question, and I will give her 750 words beyond what she needs. And she’ll say, “I just need to know yes or no.” That’s so… I’ve always been very detailed, I’ve always, uh… I’m um, I’m a prolific reader of books. I’ve read over 12,000 books. Ah, I read news articles, headlines. I, I read the word through about three times a year. I just love to read. There’s always a book in my hand, or something I’m looking at or reading.
Um, so when I have the dreams there’s a lot of details. Um, Joseph interpreted his dreams via his understanding of agriculture, and John Redenbo’s made it clear to me and helped me understand this. I kept saying to him, “John, why am I seeing all these headlines?” And he said, “Because you read articles, you read news, you look at headlines every single day.”
And to me it’s important because I, I look at, at news through the grid of scripture. So, what I see when I have these dreams, typically, I’ve had, I’ve had several of them that are just a one-night, one, I’ll wake up, I’ll write those things down and record them on my phone and share it.
The bigger dreams, the ones that have caused a lot more of a stir, I guess, almost like a movie trailer. And in, in the in the sleep cut frame it feels like just, this little clips of parts of scenes. And the next night I’ll have a little bit bigger scene, and those clips are, are bigger and then like the last night I had like the download. Um, and typically it’s always on Monday nights when I have the biggest dreams. Or the ends, the end of the dreams. And usually Tuesday morning, um, I’ve actually could actually come to a place where every Tuesday morning at 9:00 o’clock I, I, I lock myself in our secret place here at the church in the prayer room, and I write down the things that I’ve seen from the night before. Even if they’re just not, to me, what would be an non-important dream. But I still, I still have dreams that are just normal. You know, silly stupid dreams. You wake up thinking, What in the world was that all about?
But then I know when I have the dreams that are from God because I wake up with this this urge this sense of, Okay, that was that was the Father speaking, so I gotta’ do something with this. Um, but basically once I had the dreams I lay ’em out, I — I’ll write ’em out, I have a — keep my phone by my bed, a notepad by my bed, my computer above the bed. And I’ll wake up, and I’ll go and I’ll pace, and I’ll pray, and I’ll walk through ’em, I’ll type it out, I’ll look at it, and for, literally the next day I’ll be asking the Lord to show me details and things that I saw; what were those things that happened. So, my dreams are very, very; very, very much in color; very, very much much detailed; very, very graphic– and they’ve always been that way. Ah, but these have even picked up to a whole different level. Um, to the point that often I will have headaches the next day, um, cause I’m thinking so much about ’em. Um, I’m weighing them, and… everything about the dreams. I carry these things. Um, I’m still thinking… this morning I woke up, and I was thinking about dreams I’ve had in the last couple of days, or the Chain Snake dream I just had, and things that are happening, so read the news and the press and I see this, and ‘that could fit this part’.
I also don’t try to fit what’s going on in American history with here, now in the news to the dream. I just, “Okay, Lord, You gave me this dream, and people can do with it what they want.” But um, it’s a process. I want to be very accurate cause I realize how many people are watching for every little idiosyncrasy with the dreams, um, so, I’m uh, it’s a very detailed person and I also believe that God, God gives the gifts based on her personality type. And l believe that God understands how our mind works, and that those different nine gifts; they’re used to edify the body and build people up in Christ. But um, you know, He gives them according to His will His understanding of the kind of person we are: how we see, how we think, what we do, but even the kind of words that we use, or the words that I hear in the dreams.
Um, so, dreams are very individual and very specific to the individual. And I think we’ve also got to realize that. Pharaoh was not an agricultural guy, but he had agricultural dreams because the guy that’s going to interpret with those dreams was an agricultural guy. And uh, so that’s kind of how they work with me. I see sometimes historical that things like about Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln. I have had dreams about the President. I’ve had dreams about the election. Ah, I had dreams of riots and storms and things like that. Um, but I believe also that God does prophetically use those signs and symbols, you know God, God speaks to us through signs: When you see these signs, when you see these things…
And so, when Daniel, when Joseph and Daniel both saw those certain signs in the dreams that those leaders have had, they could put, that they could take their knowledge of those things and track it, which is why Joseph said, “Okay Pharaoh, here’s what you saw; here’s what’s gonna’ happen. Now here’s what you need to do.” So, the dreams become warning dreams; the dreams become, um, the dreams become a way for God to speak to us, and help us know what’s coming, what we need to do to get ready for it. So, that’s kind of how they work in my life.
EP: Do you think most of these are post-2020, or are they all for this respective year?
DC: [sighs] The September through November timeframe was the counter that I saw. But, you know, if someone punches you in the face and you take a bruise, that bruise is going to be there, for not, it’s going to be there for maybe even a week afterwards. I think the fist-punch in November made a lot of people think that all these things were done. And I never said, “Oh, all these things happen by the end of November.” All I said was, “Here’s what I saw. Here’s what I saw. Here’s what I saw.” But the, the fist-punch on November followed real close behind the whole thing in September — the underline. So, I believe that September, November was the catalyst moments for the things that we’re seeing even now. Uh, we’ve gone far beyond Bush, Gore, the year 2000, ah, and even though our electoral college has appointed, has said this is the president elect, we know there are still some court cases that are out there, and you have, and I said this in my in my prayer time the last couple of days, and I, I’m looking for the Lord to show me this.
You go back to the year 2000 there was a, a um, question about the legitimacy of the election — hanging chads — the Supreme Court had to decide. The next president’s Barack Obama, and there was questions about his legitimacy because of his birth certificate, and ah, his citizenship. Then go to 2016 — for four years even the Inauguration Day there were people talking about already doing impeachment. Why? Because they questioned his legitimacy.
And now here we are in 2020. A new president’s been elected. And what’s the common factor? There’s a question about legitimacy. Now, how do we live in a country like America and for the last 20 years — literally — the last four presidents have all had a question in the eyes of somebody in our society and culture about the legitimacy of the presidency? To me, that’s a significant thing! Why there was never been as, as significant as we see right now in our country. So uh, interesting times we live in, for sure.
EP: Several big names in Christendom have tried to discount, soften, or dumb-down the message of these dreams, which the Lord obviously bore repeating– ad nauseam, and that was: “Brace, brace, brace, yourself — The storm will not stop until I stop the storm.”
The spectrum of response is large. Christian leaders have tried to discredit the dreams. They have said these things can be prayed away. There was a big Jonah interpretation. There are those who say these can be stopped. Others still maintain they’re false.
One thing is clear: these events were not conditional whatsoever. God gave very clear warning and strict instructions. Dana, why the blatant error when God has been so precise time and again?
DC: Well… [sighs] As I, as I think about this question, I realize that a lot of people do not want to live as a Christian in a world where there’s chaos. Um, we’ve not had martrydom in America. We’ve not had a whole lot of persecution in America, but yet in the last just 5-6 years we’ve seen the definition of marriage changed. We’ve seen the ideas and definitions of identity changed. Uh, we’ve seen uh, men dressing as women who want to walk into women’s bathrooms because they say they identify as a woman.
Um, and so our culture is changing and Paul himself said in last days perilous times will come. But I can tell you there are people who hope for the rapture because they don’t want to have to endure any difficulty, or hardship, or persecution. And for some reason the American Church has felt that we are exempt from persecution. Because we we’ve, we’ve, we’ve sent missionaries around the world. We, we, we built water wells in Africa. We, we’ve sent church, we built churches in hospitals all around the world. And so, part of us, part of us, many people in the American church, they want to stay in that bubble where there’s nothing gonna hurt us. Nothing’s gonna, you know, come against us.
That’s my security system going off. Sorry…
EP: That’s okay! [smiles, laughs]
DC: But a lot of Christians really would not know how to respond if persecution broke out.
DC: Right now in Nigeria they’ve been using the word, you know, almost a, almost a Holocaust is happening there with, with people: genocide of Nigerian Christians. Uh, we see, um, in Muslim nations it’s illegal to be a Christian — it’s illegal only Bible — it’s illegal to proselytize. And most people who get saved in those countries have to leave their nation; their families, you know, disown them. And so, I believe that part of the reason that people have come against it– I do believe that God changes things — that, you know, My people have been called by My name will humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways — is an interesting thing. I do believe God would do that, but He also said judgment begins in the House of God. We can’t pray that away. And the whole context of that passage in first Peter chapter 4, “judgment begins in the House of God” is in the context of suffering. Difficulty. And when you look at the early church in Acts chapter, you know, Acts chapter 2:1, when persecution came it scattered the church; it strengthened the church. Tertullian, one of the ancient church fathers, made the statement that the blood of Christian is seed. It’s seed. It encourages others to grow. Um, you know, one of the things we see from missions, and like uh, magazines, Voice of the Martyrs, those ministries they will tell you that there are people who are willing to lay their lives down and die. They will not deny the name of Christ. And uh, but yet we’ve got people probably, definitely, in the American church, if it’s raining won’t come to church. If, if something happens in their lives and gets all out of whack, they get mad at God. And it’s because there’s not a lot of maturity. And so mature believers recognize, Yeah, these things are going to happen. These things are gonna come. We can’t pray the persecution away. Once again, because Peter said “judgment begins in the House of God”. That’s a biblical God principle. It’s going to happen. It’s going to come. We can’t pray that way we know that there will be an Antichrist someday we can’t deny that we can’t pray that away. It’s going to happen according to God’s timing.
EP: That’s right… yep.
DC: Uh, can God change things? Well, we know He will. Because He says, “If My people…” But uh, so those that would say, “Well, this could change, and that could change,” God can change some of the things. He doesn’t change all the things. Uh, we pray for God’s will in our lives. Uh, it’s still dependent upon us listening and being obedient. Following and trusting Him and God sometimes taking us into difficult places. So, I believe a lot of the opposition to what I saw in the dreams was: “Whoaaah, we don’t want to do deal with that! So, let’s just pray it away.” That’s the easy way out. But Jesus also used a word quite a bit in his ministry, and that word was endure. And He said, “endure to the end.” And we’re supposed to endure and be steadfast and obedient. And uh, those are characteristics of mature believers who are not just wanting to get out, you know, “Oh, the rapture’s going to take me away from all these things.” I don’t believe in that kind of rapture. I believe, you know, I believe in… Jesus is coming! Whenever he comes we need to be ready for it. That’s pre – post trib — you know, I’m not changing my theology by any means. We simply need to be ready for Jesus when He comes. With this dream — good times and then when they’re saying peace and safety or when it’s turning the times of war or difficulty we just need to be ready when He comes.
EP: Jesus Christ called His church to share in His sufferings.
DC: Yes, He did!
EP: And we should be able to drink the same cup that He drank. Um, what is God trying to do in the church, Dana? What is the ultimate takeaway we need to receive from the Lord? He did say through your dream, “Occupy till I come.” What is God really saying? What’s the overarching message?
DC: I think it’s: Brace Yourself. And the brace yourself message is “Wake up”. Make sure you’re where you need to be with Jesus. Make sure your heart is right with the Lord. Make sure you’re taking every thought captive. Make sure you’re spending time in the word, in prayer; make sure you’re going at the fellowship of the believers in church. Make sure you’re praying for your pastors and your leaders. Make sure you’re praying for the nation.
But it’s also a call to stand up because when you brace yourself you don’t get down on the ground. You’re standing but you’re your foot is behind you, and you’re leaning into what’s coming at you. And so that part of it: the stand-up part, is when we stand up and we speak up, and we speak out. There is going to be opposition, persecution, potential annihilation, because there are people who do not want to hear the message that we have. You look right now in America, there are two things that are hugely being censored in the media. One of those is if you talk about the vaccine. If you’re against the vaccine; if you say you’re not getting vaccine– censorship happens. If you say there was election fraud, if I don’t have, uh, confidence in the election– you’re censored. And, and you know, we have a First Amendment right that’s, that’s being, being torn off of the page. You know, a white-outed off of the page. And so, so God’s trying to say, In this day and age when the perilous times are here and they come, and you stand up, and you brace yourself, there’s still gonna be opposition of what you say.
And so, and the people, you know, there’s gonna be a lot of people who say, “You know what? I didn’t sign up for this, so I’m not really Christian. I’m just gonna go back to living my life the way I was.” A lot of people who go to church, that’s all they do– they go to church. They don’t have that intimate, personal, uh, true relationship with Jesus Christ. They, they, they go to church and that’s it. Ah, or they said a prayer 30-40 years ago, or 10 years ago, and they’ve not changed anything about their life, but because they said that prayer they’re good; they’re OK. And Jesus said, “You want to be My disciple? Here’s the deal: Deny yourself, pick up your cross, follow Me.”
You know, He said, and Paul even told us, he said, um, he said, you know, “Walk in a manner worthy of your calling.” And I think of, in, in Philippians, one of the last things that Paul says, in my mind, is, is the scariest verse in the Bible! Paul says, “The things you’ve heard me say– you can say. And the things you’ve seen me do– you can do.” Cause that is like the all-encompassing, Oh my goodness, could I do that? Could I say that? And Paul wrote this so that church in Philippi… but the principle was: every believer should live in such a way that they can say, “Look at me.”
You know, Jesus gave the world the right to judge us. He said, “By their fruits you’ll know them.” So, He basically told the world, “Watch these people. And when they mess up, let them know they messed up.” He gave the world the right to say to us; look at you and me and say, “You’re a hypocrite, because you say one thing, but you live another.” That’s a powerful truth, and when we really get ahold of that it’s like, “Wow…” He wants us to live a whole lot different than everybody else.
EP: Yes, He does.
DC: So, to me, that really is the overarching message. Brace yourself. Stand up. Speak out. Be the Church. Be the Body of Christ. And be an example of who Jesus is every single day.
EP: The dreams have captured believers worldwide, yet most of the events seem to focus on America. Is God speaking to the Church at large, or just to believers in America, and how should believers in Asia, Europe, and Africa receive these dreams?
DC: I’ve heard from a lot of people. I have spoken to people from Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, uh Thailand, um, um, Jordan, um Lebanon other nations that South Korea in the Korean Peninsula. I’ve heard from people in China. I’ve heard from people in Canada, Mexico, South America, uh African nations who are saying, We’re praying for your country, because they saw the dreams. And they live in countries that they know that if America falls, or if America backs away from its commitments, not just the financial stuff. There are some nations that are still afloat because we have helped them financially or militarily. The one thing that, that a lot of people outside of our country realize is that, ‘as America goes, the world goes’. And if our freedoms disappear, some of their freedoms disappear, too.
I hear from a lot of people, ah, who are definitely against socialism. And who are saying, you know, who are from socialist countries, and are saying, “I don’t want them, I don’t want to see your country becoming Marxist nation. I don’t want to see socialism.” And, you know I’ve heard people who said, “I used to live in Venezuela. I escaped Venezuela, and here’s what socialism will bring United States of America.”
So, I know there’s a lot of people that are praying for this country outside the nation. I’ve been impressed with that. I’ve also, some of the people from China who have contacted me and told me very, very verbally; they have said, “We are praying for America to suffer persecution.”
DC: “Because they’ve gotten lame. They’ve gotten lackadaisical. They’ve gotten compromised.” And so, um, you know people who are in, in, in difficult situations in, in, in another country or saying, “We’re praying you go through some the same things we do, because it’s going to help your church to grow, and able to get right with the Lord.” So uh… That’s what I think… that’s what I’m hearing from people around the world about the country.
There’s a lot more people… you know, it may be leaders that don’t like this in other nations. But the people who understand the power of democracy, and freedoms… uh, one lady; one lady who had a uh, who had some family who had been in the Holocaust had sent me an email, and it basically said, um, “We want you to understand that we, you’re Bill of Rights is something we wish we could’ve had. My grandparents would have loved to have had a Bill of Rights that allowed them a Second Amendment gun ownership right, when they lived in Austria, and were taken to Auschwitz.” You know, and man you read something like that and it just — it gets you! Because we as Americans take for granted the very freedoms that we have.
And I’ve traveled, so I’ve traveled, I’ve been in 43 countries. I’ve visited 5 of the death camps. I’ve, I’ve been to Auschwitz, and uh, I’ve walked the beaches of Normandy. I’ve walked Arlington. I’ve seen a whole lot of things. But our country still is a, is a bright and shining city on a hill, so-to-speak. And uh, so there’s a lot going on, you know, a lot happening in that regards. And uh, I’m just thankful for the country that we have.
EP: What are the central elements of these dreams, Dana, when you look at them cohesively? What stands out to you?
DC: The “Brace yourself”, the political overtones, the um, the um… the consistency. Um, there are things, the trees, I see trees consistently. I see the natural processes. Uh, the skies that I see. The figure who was developed and evolved so-to-speak, who first spoke “Brace yourself” to me. Um, that we can, um… the overarching message to stay ready… to stay, you know, it’s like He’s um… It’s almost like that guy is, is a coach, pumping me up for the toughest game in my life. Um, but I see the political things. We, we shouldn’t compromise, and those things that are happening in our nation. Um, so– [sighs] and they’re very personal. The thing people probably don’t realize is that these things really, really, really– they stick with me. They stick… I see these dreams every day. I see some of the figures; some of the faces. Uh, when I see the senators in the room, I see their faces. I know who they are. When I see the President, I see his face. I know who he is. When I see some of the characters. When I see some of the cities. Um, like seeing the Saint Louis Arch; I’ve been up in that Arch probably 30 times in my lifetime. I’ve got… I see the arch. I see the country. I see the map. And there’s so many other things going on with that that I, that um, that I, just, it becomes very personal to me. Um, I carry those things. So, when I see cities on fire, I feel that. When I see those things happening, I feel that. When I see the riots, and the, and uh, when I see the flag burning. Uh, when I see those sort of things happening around me it becomes a very, very difficult; it becomes a very, very difficult situation that, you know, just trying to deal with and see. So, that, I guess that’s how the best way I could answer that. Sorry. You know, that just… just trying to stay up.
EP: Absolutely. How many dreams total have you had so far? Have you counted?
DC: I’ve had about 18 or 19 of the ones that I’ve released.
DC: There’s also been dreams that I’ve had that did not get released to the general public. Uh, they have actually been given to some security situations. Um, so — and there are some that will never be released– uh, about, just because of security situations. But 18 or 19 so far that have been released publicly, and that I believe have uh, said something about it, you know.
EP: George Washington’s dream is one that has been infamously shared since its inception. Um, there is also another dream by Asa Alonzo Allen which took place on July 4th, 1954. We will provide reference for these dreams to our audience when this is, this interview’s published. I want to give you an opportunity to reference those. Do you believe that these dreams that happened by George Washington and Asa Alonzo Allen are of any confirmation; if there are any ties to the dreams God has also revealed to you?
DC: I think they are part of a pattern. I think there are sequences. Are they connected directly? Possibly. Are they connected indirectly? Possibly. Um, I don’t want to put my dreams on the same level– or level with anything. Um, my dream was not like a Joseph or a Pharaoh dream, or a Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel dream. My dream was an Acts chapter 2 dream. I’ll just call it that.
When– cause the Bible says old men would dream dreams. I believe though that through history and through the centuries that God has been confirming to people that he speaks through dreams and visions. And I believe that the dream that George Washington had was just simply a fulfillment of Acts chapter 2. The A. A. Allen dream was a fulfillment of Acts chapter 2.
And thankfully, I’m not the only one dreaming today. I’m not the only one that continues to hear the voice of God and has dreamed. There are hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of other people that are stepping up and saying, “I had a dream. I had a dream.” There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t hear from somebody who said, “Pastor Dana, I started having dreams. What do I do? What do I do with this? You know, I don’t know what to do.” And so, I’m thankful for that. I’m gracious for that.
So, I believe anyone that’s having a dream, we know it’s from the Lord. It’s just simply a pattern; it’s a fulfillment of the prophetic word of Acts chapter 2. And if God’s speaking to them about; through a dream, He wants to, He wants us… symbols, and those dreams to be put out there publicly so that people can know, you know, what’s going on.
EP: Many prophets of old did not fully understand what God had even revealed to them. These were veiled mysteries, and even Paul the Apostle said that “Only now is the mystery of the gospel fully revealed.” So much remains hidden in prophecy. Paul says, “we know in part and we see in part,” and when God asked the prophets of old what these things mean they replied, “Lord, You alone know.” When God revealed the meaning it was often at His bidding…
EP: …and it was often very different than what the obvious would have thought to be. How should we go about interpreting these dreams in a sound biblical manner? Can or should we rest satisfied not fully understanding certain portions or elements?
DC: Well, Paul… you, also made this statement. He said, “Now we see through a glass darkly.” And the dark part of that is that we don’t see everything in full.
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As I was saying, Paul says, you know, “for now we see through a glass darkly.” Ah, we don’t see everything all up front. We don’t see it all at once. And uh although, um, although we know that there are things that will happen and things that will go on, He is faithful. And the things that God speaks, and the things that God shows, when He spoke to Isaiah and said, “behold a virgin will conceive,” that literally actually physically happened. Uh, we know the Word confirms for us how that happened, but it happened. When the Prophet said, “Tyre and Sidon are going, you know, are gonna become, uh, uh, devastated cities,” um… those things happened.
And, so part of the thing… the other thing about prophecy… so many people need to understand this: prophecy is speculation until it happens. It can be spoken, but until it happens– so the baseball team starts off, started the season they say, “Okay, we’re going to the World Series!” Well, by the first of September they’ve got the worst losing record in their history, then that, that word that they spoke back in, back in March or April during spring training means nothing. Okay? But if that team takes off; stays at the top of the game the whole time. They get to October; they’re in the World Series; you know, well then that’s different. So, you gotta have confidence in the prophetic word.
But you’ve also got to make sure we understand that we only now see in part. And God, on purpose, does not show us everything. God, on purpose, has not revealed everything. These are– there are mysteries. And I’m kind of grateful for that because it helps us also understand, um, also understand the uh, the essence of who God is. God– God lets us know what we need to know. And He lets us know what we need to know when we need to know it. Um, and so, um, the prophetic word, the biblical word, the things that we see in scripture should remind us that we’re not going to know everything. We can’t know everything. That’s just the way that it is.
But we can know enough to know the path to walk, the steps to take, um, you know, my words are a light to my path, a lamp to my feet. Uh, and a lamp only goes out so far. It only lights the path that you can see. And we’re also supposed to walk in faith. And uh, God helps us to walk in faith sometimes I think by not telling us everything. Cause if we knew… How many of us would have already said, “Let’s just all go into hibernation for 2020. Once March hits let’s just go into to hibernation, sleep till 2020… to January 1st, 2021, then we’ll wake up and we’ll go on.” That’d a been a great way to do it, right? But– that’s not how it works. And once again we’re supposed to endure through those things. So that’s how I would answer that.
EP: What dangers lie in forging ahead with interpretation apart from the revelation of the Holy Spirit? Can we rightly say that is an adulteration? And dare we presume upon God?
DC: Interpretation must be first of all, biblical; must be second of all, spiritual; and third of all, in all reality must make sense. When John the Revelator saw some of the things he saw in Revelation he struggled to figure out how to write it out. There are many words in the book of Revelation that were only used one time in the entire New Testament because they were so symbolic, and so chaotic, and so crazy, and John is trying to figure out what ‘this is’ and what’s ‘that’– he’s seeing all these things. And I’m sure he was overwhelmed a whole lot more times than we think, as he was writing it down and thinking back… and in and I would say that John probably saw those images until the very day he drew his very last breath, because they were so symbolic and so powerful.
So, um the other day I did something on dream interpretation. I just basically made a, I made a, I made a statement and the statement was basically that people simply need to, um, when it comes to dream interpretation, they need to first of all pray. They need to understand symbols. They need to be qualified spiritually, and they need to be solid theologically— more than anything they need to know the Word, and, and see how those things fit into where we are. Ah, they need to recognize God’s call, they need to understand the systems.
And here’s another key thing: interpretation requires incubation. You gotta think about that; you gotta pray about that. Um, I don’t have a dream and then get up the next morning and share them. You know, I — like with the first video I did I had two dreams. I thought about; prayed about it; talked with the guys, had the third one, and did that. But if I post a video in a day– it will be because I have had that dream a week ago, I’ve prayed for 2-3 days. I’ve talked to friends about it. I said, “Pray about this for me.” And I’ve, I’ve, I’ve slept on that thing. I have walked with that thing. I prayed through that thing, and I said, “Okay God, this is Yours. What do I do with it?” So, interpretation requires incubation. And so often we want to be the first one to say, “Oh, I know, oh I know what Pastor dreamed, I know what Pastor Dana’s dream is all about.” That’s why one time someone interpreted a dream within 15 minutes I posted it. And I can easily say, “I’m not even gonna consider this one. I’m not even going to look at those.” Because there was no reason to consider it, because obviously no one had prayed; no one had studied anything.
So, we need to understand that before we say anything we need to pray about it. We have the mind of Christ in the heart of God in the matter in that regards.
I want to talk about what we know at present which has clearly come to pass, giving credence with evidence toward God’s word, um, which is the dreams. Uh, several notable events have taken place, and what God revealed, um, there was a Part One and a Part Two, to your dreams. Um, the first half of the year was Part One, if I’m correct, and Part 2 was the latter portion. Is that correct?
DC: Yes. Right.
EP: Okay. So, for time’s sake I cannot list all of them, but I’m just going to debrief, um, and I, I want to just talk about some of these remarkable events that have taken place. In September God called for a solemn assembly of fasting and prayer. Um, on September 18th we saw the death, the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, which marked the last day of Israel’s civic year.
EP: This year literally closed with her passing, and Rosh Hashana began that evening at sundown,
EP: …which is the head of Israel’s New Year celebration. There was a global fast. Believers from all over the world participated. The highest and holiest day of the year, which is Yom Kippur, took place on September 28th, and Jonathan Cahn hosted The Return in Washington D.C. on that day. In October God marked with His finger the second and third week of October and circled the 31st. We see the hearing of Justice Amy Coney, Coney Barrett during those two weeks, and she was successfully sworn in. Riots erupted again in Washington D.C. New York tragically failed with shutdowns that crippled and paralyzed its residents. Ah, there was another outbreak of COVID, which began.
EP: Election fraud became a hot topic with mail-in balloting, and contentions grew in government leadership to the extent that Democratic leaders went MIA, and neglected their duties. Rapture dreams flooded social media portals on October 31st.
EP: Um, in November God pointed to November 3rd. His finger went clockwise then stopped and went counter-clockwise. A fist hit the calendar exploding the numbers into oblivion. We saw the election moving toward Trump. It stopped. Then it went backward toward Biden. The electoral process was halted by litigations in key states and lawsuits were unfolding. Um, election fraud was evidenced far and wide and went very deep, and investigations are still ongoing as we speak. November was marked by disorder, chaos, and the election remained inconclusive. CEO’s of big tech companies who were censoring free speech appeared before Congress in a hearing under oath.
In December, fire and ice– uh, the Lord spoke about that. Um, there are people in hiding in their homes, and all goes dark. The month is quiet. We see Biden in a casket with the date of September, December 17th, excuse me, which is today. The Liberty Bell cracks in two. The House of Representatives cracks in two. “Discovery” is seen as a banner in a cloud of smoke above it, and the Lord says, “A house divided shall not stand,” and turns out the House lights.
So, in December we are currently divided. There’s been incredible discovery of those things hidden in darkness, via investigative efforts on all fronts. The historical church which houses the Liberty Bell in Manhattan, New York was burned and gutted by flames. One of the greatest ice and snow storms ever to hit the East Coast in decades is happening right now. Massive global data outages are happening worldwide with Google, and the COVID vaccine has officially been released.
What events do you see happening that bear evidence of God’s word coming to pass?
DC: Um, well, Jesus in Matthew 24 talked about the last days, the chaos and things that we would see. You talked about the famine, pestilence. Uh, we already see now that COVID is rising. We see England just announced that they are now seeing a whole different strain of it. We have calls for vaccinations– mandatory vaccinations. And we also see medical workers that are saying, “We’re not going to take it. We don’t want two to three months of research. We want two to three years.” We even see doctors that are calling and saying, “Don’t get this.”
Um, we, we see the headlines of chaos in the nations. Um, Jesus said there would be nation against nation; kingdom against kingdom. Greece and Turkey are two different kingdoms. They’re going at it. You got China dealing with both India and Pakistan at the same time. Those things are happening right now in the world. Ah, we see nations like … Azerbaijan and Armenia are going at it.
Um, and we see a lockdown around the world where people… it’s not just our nation doesn’t know when things are going to stop — it’s the whole world — and we see leaders coming together, and we, we’re hearing the term, The Great Reset, which has to be a, a forerunner for an antichrist-type government. Um, we see governments um, running for cover. We, we, we had the spies that were uncovered, uh the Chinese spies dealing with…um… When they’re saying not just congressman but governors, mayors– um, we’ve seen our Treasury Department hacked. So, we’re seeing massive things happening on the cyber-front, the security-front. Um, there, there are talks right now about, we’ve got — air, aircraft carriers on both coasts for some things. We know there is an executive order put out by Trump in 2018 about, uh, foreign interference with… so, we see um, absolute chaos.
But we see key leaders, key players, key things happening. And I think also knowing as we go into… Look, let’s say Biden definitely is the president, he’s elected, he’s there, he takes the oath on the 21st– or 20th. I think we will definitely see challenges to both the First Amendment and the Second Amendment. We’re going to see a greater, uh, a greater attempt at doing things with, uh, global warming, the environment. We’re going to see more unity of governments coming together and, and us losing more and more of our sovereignty as a nation. And, and right now I don’t think a lot, of a lot of Americans, most Americans don’t realize how important our sovereignty as a nation is. And when the Antichrist comes, he will have to destroy– he will have to come to a country that has said, “We don’t want the Constitution. We don’t want the Amendments. We don’t want our freedoms anymore.” Because for him, and really in one way, we as the country of the United States of America– we stand in the way of a global reset. We stand in the way of a global Antichrist government. We– we stand in the way! And it’s because this country still has some biblical principles that we stand on, many people are standing on those today. So, we uh… when people say, “Well, America is not in not in the Book of Revelation end-time events”, well it could very well be because we’re out of the picture because of who we were, and what we stood for.
EP: So, God revealed a lot of the things [clears throat] excuse me, a lot of things in the dreams that took place behind the scenes. Um, darkness was exposed by the light of the Lord. There may not be clear ways to prove some of these things in real time. However, we see the fruit. How do we help others understand those limitations to what God reveals or exposes in the days following?
DC: I think, for the most part, with the dreams people have to understand primarily first of all the dreams are symbolic. And although, yes, they bring into play people situations and have things that we, we, we, we read scripture and dreams through the prophetic word. Um, we also have to understand that God’s timing is not our timing, and His ways are not our ways. Uh, there is so much happening and so much going on around us that we, that we see and we don’t see in that regards. But we have to trust the Lord. Uh, we just simply have to trust the Lord. Um, and trust the Word. Because once again, we see through a glass darkly we see the glass dimly. We cannot see everything. It’s impossible to. And God only reveals so much to us. And so, we have to take: what do we know, what do we see, in the context of “what does the Word say?” We know we’re in the end times, we know we’re in the last days. Even Peter said, you know, “in the last days, I’ll pour My spirit out.” And that was on the day the Holy Spirit fell. And then, um, in the in the book of First Peter, he says, you know, “We’re in the last days, we’re in the last time, therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of prayer.”
So, we have to have this awareness that Jesus could come at any time. We have to have this awareness; we have to remain holy, and righteous, and true at all times. And we have to remember that we serve Him. You know, we’re not here just for what we want to do. We’re here because we serve a higher and grander purpose than just what we gotta do today; what we’re going to have for lunch, or who we’re gonna meet with. We serve a higher purpose and that higher purpose may not always be clear, but if we stay on track and follow the Lord, He’ll make, He’ll, He’ll make those sense. But I’m thankful that one day I’ll be known as I’m known, and everything that happened here will make sense in some way; some setting.
EP: I am grateful for that as well.
Um, there’s a lot of prophecy in the Bible, Pastor Dana, that we’re still waiting on– thousands of years later. Um, the Lord, before he ascended to the Father, told His disciples that only the Father knows the epochs and seasons in their appointed times. If God does not reveal, reveal the fullness of these dreams, how would you suggest people navigate properly?
DC: I would say that they need to have a, a strong established prayer life. They need to have a strong understanding of the Word. And they need to pray that God reveals to them what they need to see, what they need to understand, and what they need to do in response to what they see and understand.
Um, if you’ve ever had the, a time when the Holy Spirit’s laid it on your heart to call someone, or email some– and really, you’ve got to just get to that person, and you do, I just need somebody to pray for me or, whatever. So, God will give us a burden at times, and sometimes that burden is for others. Sometimes that burden is for the nations. Sometimes that burden is for our own nation. But discernment is one of the spiritual gifts. But discernment is also something that every Christian, every believer, needs to be practicing right now. And in as much as they can. Um, because God wants to help us– He gives us discernment so we know what to do, how to walk, how fast we go, how slow, how, do we, do we slow down? He gives us the opportunities, and He opens the doors for us to walk through, but when you walk through a door He opens, you still don’t even know everything that’s about to happen, what’s going to go on, what’s inside that room?
When I became– every one of us always has a first day on the job at work. We meet people who we don’t know, who we’ll discover who they are, however many years we’re there. We walk in a room we’ve never been in. We see carpet colors we’ve never had in our houses. We see desks, and computers, and screens and, and, and filing cabinets, and all these things that we’ve never touched or looked in, and now we’re given a key to that room, and we’re told to monitor and maintain the job from that area. And so we sit down in that chair, and we look around, and we’re sitting in the chair for the first time– and we may be there for 10,15, 20, 50 years– who knows? But there’s always that first day. And I look at every day as a first day. Okay God, what are You showing me today? And I can, I can connect tomorrow with what I know today. But the Lord’s always revealing Himself. And, and sometimes the heavens are as brass. That’s an old phrase the saints used to use. But sometimes you’re going to feel that God doesn’t hear your prayers. Sometimes you’re going to read the Word and not, not feel like you get anything out of it, just because of the emotions and the humanity.
But we consider, we, we, we just consistently go on. We plod. We just P-L-O-D. We plod. We plod along. We keep walking. We keep going. Even if it doesn’t make sense, and even if we don’t understand it completely.
Yeah, I think of Daniel and the three Hebrew children. They walked into Babylon knowing their families have been killed because they were Jewish. And now they’re going to serve the King who is a heathen. They’re going to learn a new language, had their names changed, they’re going to have to eat new food; new clothes from new clothes; new dress, or whatever. But yet, I think when they walked in, they said, “God you put us here for reason, and we’re not going, we’re not going to abandon the call upon our lives. So, Lord, here we are. And we’re gonna trust You.” And so…
EP: I think the landscape of these dreams– I’m sorry forgive me. I think the landscape of these dreams is going to look different for people at different areas in the world. Um, it’s not going to be the same.
EP: So that navigation is going to be critical for them; knowing how to hear the Lord’s voice and follow Him and walk in the Spirit. Would you agree?
DC: Yeah. Definitely. When you look at the Word, you know, Paul wrote, Paul wrote something in First Corinthians let’s say. Well, he wrote that 2000 years ago. So, we have to say, “Okay Lord, what did Paul mean when he wrote this to this specific church and these people?” Now what’s it mean to me? And we’re not, we, we gotta make sure that the interpretation of the Word is grounded in good theology. And so, some of these, “Okay Lord, you know, they was shown these dreams, so what does that mean for me? What do I need to do in response to them? Show me God how I need to think about them and pray about themm. And, and so you’re not saying, “They don’t tell me what to do.” You’re saying, “Lord show me what to do in response to Pastor Dana’s dreams.”
DC: That’s how we have to look at it. And, “Okay God, what do I need to do because I know this?” New information can always shift the things that we do, or the direction we go, or the place that we head to. So, that becomes a pretty important thing.
EP: I want to speak to people who have been spiritually abused by the Church in different, um, sectors of society with respect to prophecy and how it’s been handled. There’s been a lot of malpractice in the last few decades especially with respect to the prophetic gifts, which are completely valid. Um, people’s lives have been derailed by false prophecy. Um, but yet people who are hearing these dreams, I believe they want to believe, but there’s– How do they trust again in what God’s revealing, and yet don’t know how? What would you say to those people?
DC: I would go back to the thing I’ve been saying: They need to trust the Lord. You know, the Lord, the Lord is going to speak to people in a language they can understand. He’s gonna speak to them with a heart they can feel and sense. Um, and, and look– a lot of people think I’ve just got it all together. This– these dreams have caused absolute chaos for my life. Um, I know it’s from the Lord. I know, I never expected all the platform and open doors. But it has been absolute chaos for my life. Um, I had, I had threats. I’ve had people that love me. I had people that hate me. I’ve had people say terrible things about me. I’ve had people show up at my house at 6:30 in the morning. You know, wanting to fight me over what I saw or what I said. I’ve had people call and say, you know, “I made the– all these decisions because you said I should sell my house.” Well, I never told anybody to sell their house. I said, “pray about any decision you make.” So, I’ve had people that are upset with me. I’ve had people make fake Instagram accounts, Facebook accounts, YouTube accounts. Uh, there have been people who’ve been taken for a lot of money, because they thought it was me. And then I get these letters saying, “Hey, I never got a receipt for what you guys sent.” And I, “I wasn’t involved.” “Well, I sent, you know…” Whatever.
So, a lot of people out there need also understand that I understand what it’s like to be hurt when things happen in your life. I’m a pastor, and I found out that sheep bite. Um, I have, I’ve had moments in my life where I had been hurt deeply by church people. And yet I’ve kept going. And it’s not because I’m tough, tougher than anybody else, because I know the calling on my life. If people know who they are in Christ– they can keep going. And if people know who they are, rooted and grounded in the Lord, no matter if somebody says something terrible or tragic to them, they can get up, and they can go.
And I’m telling you, I’ve had thing– I’ve had people tell me I should I should go hang myself. I should resign my church. I should have my credentials pulled. You know, that, that, that I’ve done nothing but cause chaos for people. I’ve destroyed families, and you name it, it’s been said about me in the last six months. But I know who I am in Christ. I know what God’s called me to be. I know what God’s called me to do. And uh, I know what the voice of God sounds like. And so, if people, if people who have been wounded– and there’s a message that I’ve preached in the years past. It’s simply called, If You’ve Been Wounded. And if you’ve been wounded, you know, confess that. Tell the Lord about it. Let Him know what’s going on, and find people who can pray with you.
But also, I encourage, I encourage them to, I would encourage– if you’re listening to this, and you’ve been wounded– I encourage you to– don’t blame God for that. There are people who do things the name of God who’ve done some pretty horrible, terrible, heinous, nasty, bad things. But um, they were not acting on God’s part, they’re acting on their own. And if we can recognize and understand that God does have a plan and purpose for lives, then that will make a difference in itself. So, if they know who they are in Christ, that’s the root, and that’s where they’ll be okay.
EP: I want to address the people out there who have responded to your dreams, um, with corresponding posts on YouTube and Facebook, etcetera. Um, I want to first, um, ask you about those who have overtly monetized you. Even believers establishing social media storefronts with your content. Um, in response you’ve copyrighted your material with appropriate branding. Yet it hasn’t stopped these nefarious behaviors. What do you say, Dana?
DC: Well, I do not do this to make money. Um, there are people making money off the dream, selling the dreams, typing up the dreams. Uh, I’ve had people using, you know, videos on their sites to get hits. And I, you know, I can’t do anything about that. YouTube has gone after some of those folks, um, and has let me know that they’ve told people that if they keep posting my stuff, they’re gonna’ be written off, at, or removed from Face– or removed from YouTube and other things, and also that they would have to pay me, or whatever. I don’t handle any of that.
As of right now I’m just trying to get some information out there; pray with people. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s a bad thing– I, I, I’ve started my own not-for-profit ministry because of it. People were sending money, and then saying, “I demand a receipt.” So, we’re doing that. Um, I’m, I’m using some of that money for equipment. I’m using that money for missions. I’m using some of that money to support churches and things around, around the nation, around the world. Um, not just throwing it away. It’s not going to my bank account. I’ve got men that are over that, watching that as well.
Uh, but I would simply say, you know, if the message is getting out, if people are hearing the message I’m grateful for that. And the message is: Brace yourself. Get ready. Wake up. Get saved. Stay saved. Make sure your life’s right.
Um… God’s gonna honor what I’ve done. And if I’m gonna be, God’s will honor me. And if anything else happens out there, I’m not going to worry about that. I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna say, “Okay God,” I’ve got people that are praying with me every morning; thousands of people praying with me every morning, and throughout the day. I’ve got people that are praying for battle in the spirit. I’ve got people that are talking about persecution in the church. Um, I’ve got people that are hearing dreams and getting ready, so… that’s why I’m excited. I’m thankful for that. That’s, that’s what I’m glad for.
EP: I’m excited about that, too. I share in your excitement. Um…
EP: People have voiced fears of losing their homes, jobs, loved ones; they’ve also voiced fear of natural disaster, national destruction, war, and the loss of our civil liberties, and finally the Lord’s return upon their sin. Fears of every kind are being awakened. But is there a biblical fear of God? Your response.
DC: I just saw some headlines this morning. There’s 70 billion dollars owed in back due rent and utilities by renters in this country. There are also a huge number of land owners, apartment owners, who have mortgages on those apartments, that people have not been paying rent. Um, I saw where 40% of some commercial space in some larger cities is up for sale.
Um, we see the chaos with jobs– the job market does not look bright, because no one knows what’s going to happen; what’s going to happen… even with the vaccine? When is that gonna happen? You know, um, so a lot of people are– the news, the news is real. You know, we can look– you don’t even have to look at the news, you can say, Okay. People’s homes are in jeopardy; paychecks are in jeopardy; the government spent about what? Six months, four or five months now trying to figure out what to do with uh, um, uh stimulus checks, and help with the government. You’ve got government agencies; unemployment running out, and um, what it really comes down to is this– I don’t know what tomorrow looks like but I know this: I’m going to trust the Lord to meet my needs. And one of the things that the “brace yourself” was about was to prepare! To get ready. And anytime something’s going to happen and God warns us, He will tell us what to do. And I do believe that the three things that I shared were, and those were my recommendations. I didn’t say, you tell them ‘this’, ‘this’, and ‘this’. I did that because of what I saw. And I believe it was a good recommendation. I really honestly do. Because we are seeing food shortages. Um, try and find, um, uh, a box of ammunition for any weapon that you own.
EP: Ohhhhh…oh, oh…[laughs]
DC: You can’t do it.
DC: And even though it’s an election year, there’s a lot of people who can’t get ammunition for their guns. And also, look at, look at the currency. Look at the things that are going on around the world. The dollar continues to drop. And– if you look at many of the economic issues, the inflation rate: it is starting to go up. Hyperinflation will eventually be here. We will see that. Uh, if you go to storage you can see that some foods are going up. Some products are going up, if you can find those products.
So, I would say that we just need to stay ready. Listen, if the Lord tells you to go buy 30 acres in Nevada in the middle of the night– and you know it was the Lord who told you to go buy 30 acres in Nevada in the middle of the night– you trust the Lord. You make sure it’s Him, and you know that you confirm that. But if we’re really where we need to be with the Lord, He’s going to show us what we need to do, and show us how to do it, and provide for that way to do it as well. So, that would be the best advice.
You stay, stay in the Word, stay on your knees. Stay praying, and God is going to show us what we need to do.
EP: What do you say to the naysayers, haters, skeptics, and unbelievers who curse God and country, and you and your family? Would you like to make a statement?
DC: I would say anybody can say anything they want about me– um, it was me that made the statements; it was me that shared the dreams. It was not my wife; It was not my kids; It was not my church; It was not my board members; It was not my fellowship in the Assemblies of God– it was me. And so, anything that’s out there that needs to be said, it can be said to me. I’m available. I answer emails. I answer the phone when I can. Uh, I’m, I’m uh, I’m able to be talked to and looked at face to face. And I would just say, you know, if they’re gonna go on and blaspheme, call me and talk about it. Get to know who I am as a person. Get to know what my, what my passions are. Get to know what my calling looks like.
Um, but once again, but, I’m thankful we live in, in one of the freest countries on the planet. I’m thankful for the First Amendment, and I don’t, I don’t come against them, because they have a right to say what they say about me. And they can continue to say whatever they want to say about me. Cause I know that one day I’ll stand before God and have to give an account for what I’ve said, what I’ve shared, what I’ve done. And uh, and that’s all that matters. I want to hear those words, “Well done my good and faithful servant.” And uh, they can say what they want to say.
EP: Will you continue to lead believers worldwide as a pastor?
DC: I will continue in the shoes that God’s put me in, which is a pastor. Uh, I love doing the prayer time with people from all over the world, all over the nation every morning, that’s gonna continue. Uh, I showed that September 1st, I think I’ve, there’s only been one day, Thanksgiving Day, I did not do that, and I’m really enjoying it, and being able to encourage people, not just in my church, but around the world. So, that’s my plan. That’s my plan.
EP: Very good. Okay. Your church; your home church has become a beacon. What direction do you see God taking you and your fellow members and leaders in your church?
DC: Well, we’re talking about some conferences and things that we can do and host to help people who are having dreams, and interested in interpretation. We’re talking about, um, be more open to our community. Um, we’re talking about how can we do more for missions? Um, we’ve got a lot of buckets. We’ve had people from 46 states that’ve showed up and come here. And so, um, our hospitality is changing and shifting. We’ve had to “up” some things there, but for the most part the church, because they know that we’re in a more public eye than we’ve ever been before, um, they’re stepping up. And uh, and so we’re trying to make some changes, not just for the building, but we’re trying to make sure our hearts are where it needs to be, so when people come, they walk away saying, “I’m glad I went to church there today.” “I felt the presence of God.” “That word encouraged me.” “I was prayed for.” “And I felt inspired.” “I felt God touch me.”
And we’re trusting God for miracles, and healings. We’re trusting God for the spiritual gifts to be in operation. Trusting God that He’ll make us a model church, a model Pentecostal church for America as we go into 2021. And that we become a church that glorifies Him. He can look down and say, “I’m glad they’re doing what they’re doing. They’re following Me.” So, that’s what I would say.
EP: That is an amazing stewardship that God’s given you, Dana, for His body in this hour, and I just want to commend you in the Lord for your service. Um, and I want to thank you so much for your time. You’ve been so generous today. Ah, in concluding the interview, I want to give you an opportunity to bring a closing statement to your audience.
DC: Mm-kay. I’m thankful and appreciative of all the support and the encouragement that I’ve gotten in the last six months: the daily emails, phone calls, text messages, Messenger app messages, from people who just say they’re praying for me, they’re praying for my family, uh, they are believing God for greater things in my life. Um, thank you so much! For those that pray with me during the day, for those that are coming watch the podcast, for those that are in the ministry that I’m doing here at my church– I’m, I’m grateful for that, and thankful.
I just want to encourage you to continue to brace yourself, to continue to pray, to stay rooted, to stay grounded, to be Jesus to your neighbors, to the place that you work at, to the people in your school if you’re going to school. Um, because we are to occupy until He comes. And occupy is a military term, and occupy means you hold the grounds, you toe the line, you hold the fort, you don’t let any of the enemy get beyond that perimeter, and you protect those that are around you and with you, and you work side by side just like soldiers do– you work side by side to protect what you have and also to make gains in the area around you. Um, so, I encourage the Church to be the Church. So that the only thing that people see in our– is Jesus. The only thing that people have to say about us is: They’re doing it right. They’re doing it right. So, brace yourself and be the Church.
EP: Thank you so much Pastor Dana!
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Post Updated: 2.03.2021 | Transcript published
I just want to kindly correct a blunder in the interview. I had referenced George Washington’s and Asa Alonzo Allen’s visions as dreams. These were not dreams; they were indeed visions. So, I’d like to correct that for all of you who are listening. That was very much a mistake. Please kindly forgive that error. Also, I want to apologize for interrupting Dana at one point. That was not intentional. I had tried to interject a comment when I thought he had completed a thought/sentence, and the timing of that was just very off. Thank you all for understanding. Again, this is not polished. It’s raw and uncut. I do hope all of you are blessed as you listen. Thank you.